If you’re asking “The death of what?”, then my point is already proved
The Legend Of DMOZ
Once upon a time in search engine optimization land, there was a directory called DMOZ. There are (of course) directories in existence today, but DMOZ was believed to be something special.
It was said that if you could get your website into DMOZ, the gods of Google would bless your domain and permit it free passage through the rivers of its search engine. The problem is that DMOZ was heavily protected by its guardians known as “Editors”.
Editors were a very selective group of creatures and sometimes it would take years upon ages for them to approve your website into their directory. Many a brave web developer attempted to triumph over the Editors but it was truly a hard fought battle. Nary a single developer escaped rejection without first becoming lost to the ages.
And now it would seem that the once hallowed ground of Google may be tainted by the stench of corruption that freely flows from the halls of DMOZ.
Will a hero rise and stand against DMOZ? Only time will tell.
A little story from Bush Mackel there, where I first learned of the DMOZ Blackmail Scandal, revealed on Pure Blogging via Shoemoney.
In short, DMOZ is an open source human-edited directory of the internet, where anyone can submit their site for inclusion, for free. Thousands of unpaid editors, who should have some knowledge of the field they’re editing, decide whether or not the site is suitable for inclusion. Apparently Google and many other Search Engines based and/or continue to base a large part of their index upon the directory, so if you’re listed you’re in good shape for a good rating in SERPs.
Corruption Or Not?
The blackmail story goes that Jeremy Schoemaker AKA Shoemoney was recently approached by a DMOZ editor and asked to pay $5000 or find his site deleted from the DMOZ directory. He didn’t pay, and his listing disappeared.
This story was covered by Pure Blogging and within the comments, one Rob Jones who purports to be a DMOZ editor, states that the facts are somewhat different: essentially Shoemoney had long been removed from the index for a past infraction, but was mistakenly re-added after the DMOZ major server failures of last year. As soon as it was noticed that his site was back in, it was yanked again and this had nothing to do with the attempted extortion outlined above, for which no evidence has apparently been presented.
All this shows really is the beauty of the internet for presenting two halves of the same story in totally different lights, and nobody knows where the truth lies. But does it really matter? Who cares about DMOZ anyway?
Are You In?
Is your site in DMOZ? Do you know anyone’s who is?
I have submitted 4 sites to DMOZ so far for inclusion, one nearly 12 months ago, the others just over 6, and as yet none are in the directory. It’s patently obvious that the human review system doesn’t work, whether through inaction, overwork or anything more sinister. Certainly one of the sites I submitted was to a directory branch of about a dozen other sites, none of which were significantly better from mine, yet a year on, there is no approval, no rejection, nothing. This isn’t sour grapes, but if some of those other sites are in, so should mine be.
At the time of the server failure last year, I was a regular lurker in their forums and was astonished at the attitude of most of the moderators towards people asking reasonable questions. The responses were often brusque, rude or just resulted in an outright banning for the questioner. I came away with the impression of an arrogant organisation who thought they were above the people without whom they’d be nothing: the people building the websites.
The Bigger They Are…
Ultimately though I think they, like some other players in the computer/web arena have reached the point of making themselves irrelevant, through bad attitude, complacency and smugness. Somebody just needs to tell Google to base their index on something relevant to the web in 2007, but given some of the noises coming out of Mountain View in the last few months, I don’t think they’d listen.
So are DMOZ corrupt? I don’t see how you can say that from what I’ve read so far – maybe one of their editors is, but that accusation may end up going to court unless some more evidence is forthcoming. More to the point though, is DMOZ relevant anymore? I don’t think so.
Are you in? Had you even heard of DMOZ?





13 users commented in " The Death Of DMOZ? "
Follow-up comment rss or Leave a TrackbackWe may disagree on a few points, but I’d say that’s one of the more balanced stories I’ve seen on the current brouhaha or on Dmoz for that matter.
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Dmoz DOES have some problems, and some of them are noted succinctly in your story. Extorting a guy whose site wasn’t in the directory anyway isn’t one of them, but the fact that our project needs to evolve to stay current with a changing internet IS.
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The good news is that the parent corp, AOL, recently added a host of staff and resources. The object is to determine how the project needs to adjust and implement it. They are currently in discussion with the editing community to determine the scope and direction of change.
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For the record, the failure to list as many sites as we should is due to a shortage of volunteers, not indifference. We have thousands helping, but the net has millions of unlisted sites. As we move forward I encourage those with concerns to dive in and help.
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REMUNERATION?
There is NO pay (despite occasional rumors you WILL summarily remove anyone caught taking a bribe) but it is a rewarding group to work with. f not I’d have left long ago. I learn a lot from the people there, it’s an eclectic group.
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BTW – As to me being an “alleged” editor (good point, I failed to identify myself); my editor name is my real name (robjones) and is visible on my Dmoz profile. I’m an editall, having been involved since ’99. I enjoy my role in there, and hope the problems noted are but growing pains.
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Regards – Rob Jones
I am in DMOZ, and have no problem with it. It did take time to get listed, I seem to remember a good few months, so much so that when I was accepted it was like “oh, good”. It does need sorting out whether Shoemoney was or was not offered a listing.
It could be a *very* interesting case study if it is found out that Shoemoney link baited. Goes to show that blind trust and support of bloggers, almost taken their word as gospel (pardon the pun) is very, very bad.
My site was approved within a few months of submission. I think it has a lot to do with who’s editing a particular area. Mine’s under personal blogs and the letter “u”. I’m sure the more active areas are a lot slower to list newer blogs.
DMOZ isn’t the only directory service with manpower problems. Yahoo’s original search listings were nearly as slow to update.
Re: Linkbaiting
From Shoemakers disclaimer which he says everyone should read before acting on his post:-
‘You should assume everything written on this blog is a lie. You should assume I have motivation for linking to everything on this page and will benefit from it somehow. …. You should question everything. You should come up with your own thoughts and opinions and not trust some stupid blogger.’
Looks like there are a lot of stupid bloggers out here…
DMOZ has been completely abused, Now body who tries to submit on his won , never gets listed.
Lol, I’m so sick of hearing this. DMOZ has been dead for a while now. But their death isn’t complete, because Google still trusts them. It doesn’t matter how many people say it’s dead, because it’s not, and Google isn’t doing anything about it.
Hey Rob, thanks for your comment.
That’s good news for the future of DMOZ (Note the ? in my post title – I can sit on the fence when I need to
) and I do hope it works out – I hope I didn’t say anything unfair within my opinions, but my experience of DMOZ hasn’t been positive, and while I appreciate the workload of the editors and forum mods doesn’t encourage flowery prose, the abruptness and willingness to dismiss people out of hand discouraged me from following up my website submissions, and certainly even thinking about becoming an editor. If things are changing, it’s certainly something I’d like to volunteer for.
With regard to the Shoemoney scenario, I was careful to try and tread the path between the two stories, as truth is always a matter of perception, especially in a written medium like the web. Thanks for that snippet Eric The Bun, but if Shoemoney has made this story up, I hope he gets sued to death. Equally if he is telling the truth, lets see the evidence, and see DMOZ act accordingly.
Sorry about the ‘alleged’ but I had to make the point that I didn’t know for certain.
Thanks all, even those jammy gits who managed to get in!
No offense taken on the “alleged editor” thing, I was impressed that you didn’t accept it at face value. It was a good catch.
The tone at Resource Zone has been a subject of internal discussion as well. I tried working the boards at RZ back when we had status checks, and it was sort of a siege mentality that set in.
The concept when proposed sounded good, it was implemented for all the right reasons, but somewhere it swung into a bitter mode. Like everyone, we live and we learn.
As for the future, it’s evident to anyuone that our current concept is “Web 1.0″. Still we have a huge volunteer base willing to plug forward… so our challenge is to retool and come out of the cocoon in a better form.
No idea what that’ll be, but I’m sure plenty of people will let us know if it doesn’t work. LOL. We are never lacking in that department.
Thanks again for your balanced approach. It truly is a breath of fresh air.
Regards – Rob Jones
PS: Yes, staff *should* sue Shoe out of existence. I’m just disappointed how many bought it without proof. Darn that whole human nature thing, we love tales that play to our predispositions.
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I can only image how busy the editors are. With so many people starting new blogs, they have to be getting a lot of submissions. They had major hardware issues about a year ago, and were not taking new submissions or accepting any new editors. The problem is there is no way to tell if they actually even received your submission. There is no way to lookup what the status is. I think if they implemented that feature a lot of the anger felt by many would be squashed. I submitted my site, but I have no idea what’s its status is. Everyone says you shouldn’t re-submit your site as that could keep your listing from ever showing up. In the Web 2.0 world users expect to see immediate results, and human editing of millions of sites doesn’t lean itself to anything immediate. As to the relevance of DMOZ, it is still relevant because humans can filter through the spam sites much better than any computer. If Google knows that a human has reviewed a site and has approved its content, it only makes sense that site should get a higher weight then some spam page. A spammer can always tweak his site to get around a computer algorithm, but a human is much harder to trick.
I agree with what you say, and you’ve really hit the nail on the head for me, about re-submission – I’ve heard nothing, are my sites rejected, not suitable or just plain ignored? How do I find out without getting slapped down and/or banned?
This side of things does need to be sorted out fast.
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I think so… They are not sending email about the links you submitted to them. Almost 6 sites that I have submitted last 2 months I heard nothing on it. I agree, DMOZ was died already…
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